the police

redline are gash dont worry about it m8

tristan said i was at the back of the grid.

my mum told me i was an accident a few minutes ago and that hurt alot less than what tristan said

Quote from tristancliffe :

I am perfectly entitled to disagree with Brundle, Alonso and Heidfeld. It's my personal belief that no decent champion should run people off the road like that. Just because Senna, Schumi and now Alonso have done it, or that people in the sport think it's acceptable doesn't mean that I have to think it's acceptable. I'm of the opinion that a REAL racing driver has no need for such dirty tricks.

thats a fair point, and i used to think the same too, but someone who overtakes agressivly but cleanly and isnt concerned for the other driver will often beat a sensible driver. so if you cant beat em join em!

Quote from tristancliffe :

I look forward to seeing you at the Autosport Awards then. But for the ~3 years I've known you you've barely raced, and when you have you've not exactly been at the front of the grids.

see you there!

yea i bought a new kart and rent engines (mine is 0.4 seconds slow) and recently i was 3rd fastest in the super 1 final at whilton and 2nd fastest at buckmore park S1 final last weekend

i havnt spoken to you in AGES!

Last edited by ayrton senna 87, Mon, 2 Jul 2007 10:35.

whats with all the personal insults?

i aint half way down the grid, im racin in the national champiosnhips and am on target to go to the autosport awards and pick up a prize and a seeded champiosnhip number.

the other thread, i did leave room and it seems u cant see that i would have made it round the corner.

if the move was ok by brundle, alonso, heidfeld and all real racers what makes you think you know best when all you do is play a sim and race against a load of gentlemen racers in a car older than me?

Quote from thisnameistaken :

This might be more your thing.

haha thats superb! thats more my thing yea

whos a failed karter?
notice how all the real racers think the move was fine. even brundle etc who did F1 thought it was fine

heidfeld knew that alonso wouldnt leave any room on the outside and chose to take the escape because it would cost him less time than backing off

alonsos move on heidfeld was perfectly fine, although when i saw it i was thinking "i bet 99% of lfsers would go mental"

Quote from tristancliffe :

To outbrake someone you have to brake a little later, but you have to brake harder and deeper. You have to be slower at the turn point if you want any hope of getting to the apex.

If you are faster than normal at the turn point, yet want to be going slower than normal by the apex (i.e. more braking whilst turning) then you haven't been braking well normally.

If you ARE faster at turn in whilst offline then you WILL run wide and/or hit someone.

cool thanks

Quote from tristancliffe :

And I've seen a fair few kart races in my time. Usually one or two good people right at the front, and a load of idiots after that, who haven't got a clue about overtaking.

Example: Will said you had to be faster at turn in to overtake someone, which is twoddle! You cannot enter a corner faster OFFline and still make the corner, let alone if you are alongside someone.

the ones at the front often are the most crazy at overtaking, going barreling into the corner. last week i was told that my overtaking is too controlled!

if im behind someone and want to pass them, then surely i need to outbrake them? which is going into the entry of the corner faster than they are, and as i said my apex speed was lower than his to 'recover'

i think the whole real life vs simmers thing is summat that will never be agreed.

id hardly call the 1st lap wrecking.

Quote from DeKo :

What you dont do is throw the car in sideways about 5 meters away from the apex, slide into the other guys line, dont even attempt to dab the brakes or anything to try and seperate the 2 of you, then delibaretly steer towards the tyres to squeeze him into the barriers.

the slide you talk about happened for about 0.3 seconds which isnt enought time to react and the car hardly moves in that time, and it didnt force me infront of or into anyone. as ive said before.

Quote from Shotglass :

1) stop comparing yourself to gilles your just emarrassing yourself

i wasnt comparing myself to gilles i was jus showing that to overtake the car on the inside needs to enter the corner faster.

and i did clip my apex, like ive said MANY times before, i DONT APEX ON THE KERB. would al have hit the kerb of that turn if i wasnt there? no

i cant be bothered to read the rest of your post because ive TRIED to have a sensible discussion about this, but it seems u just make the same point over and over again even after ive explained in some massive list.

in any form of real life racing you would finish dead last and would end up crying always to the clerk of the course.

i honestly dont understand how i can make an overtaking manouver unless i am entering the corner faster than my opponent? at the apex, like i said before, my speed was actually lower than his!!!

m8, my wheels were locked for a fraction of a second whilst i got up the inside. look at 40 seconds on this video, do u not think there was a speed difference on the entry to that turn?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kre35Pct0yA

ive taken in your point about my rear of the car sliding, but it only slid for about 0.2 seconds before contact was made, so how is that enough time for me to go infront of als line? the fact is, i was fully side by side at worst, partially infront at best and my car ALWAYS slides in tiny amounts in any turn!!! like i said, i am ALWAYS miles from the apex there, please read before posting the same things again and again.

and about cutting the chicane, i missed the tyres, the car understeers when it goes on grass (hence more lock) and as u can see, i didnt hit the tyres.

admittedly i got angry earlier, but in the last few posts ive tried my best to put my point across sensibly and by using pics, but u guys still seem to think that im being agressive.

Quote from Don :

What i find "amazing" is that few meters from the small chicane you start turning right to cut the corner as much as possible - and you dont care that theres a driver on your right.

to be honest with u, i didnt know he was still there! because i cant see that way, as u can see from the picture, and i couldnt press the look button ebcause its on my mouse and i was just about to turn a corner!

everyone cuts the chicane in that manor tho

from the 2 pics i have just attached u can see my car aint sliding, i slid into the turn and just before contact was made, but it didnt alter my angle atall because the slide only happen about 2 tenths of a second before contact was made.

my speed is the same, it just happens that generals angle took him into the side of me a TINY bit.

cant we just call this a racing incident and let it rest? i didnt slide into anyone, it just so happens that a TINY bit of contact was made just as i slid which unbalanced the car once he just rubbed me a tiny bit. we are talking fractions here so blame lies with no-one.

if i was at fault id be the 1st to admit it.

good point, my rear slides a TINY bit just before contact is made. had i been on my own it would have been no issue, but unluckily enough general hit me at precisely the wrong moment, causing my car to alter balance real fast.

to sum it up, really unluky that i slid a tiny bit just before he hit me, but was a total racing incident.

interestingly enough, my speed just before my rear slid was 70mph, and his was 72, meaning i wasnt going too fast!!!

glad we got that sorted.

PS, about the fact that all of my tyres are red etc, u look at my car around most corners and it flicks between green and red alot, because im on the limit. i wasnt understeering after my tyres stop locking.
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look guys, im admitting that it was a racing accident and ive taken in your points and realised that it was no-ones fault, and ive shown to you that my speed wasnt too high and i WOULD have made it round the corner, so please can we leave it at that??? of course in any overtaking manuver there will be a speed difference at entry, but there isnt at the apex.

about the point that i was miles away from the kerb, i never hit the 1st kerb so i get a better run for the 2nd, and if u look, krawani was even further away!

Last edited by ayrton senna 87, Fri, 29 Jun 2007 16:21.

the fact is i COULDNT STEER and i didnt want to take him off, i COULDNT STEER.

heres some pics to prove it

notice with 1, my angle is the same as krawanis, then in 2 my angle has altered big time once he hit me.

3 was taken at the same time as 1, notice my steering angle.

after he hit me, look at my steering angle in 4, this was taken the same time as pic 2.
the fact is i COULDNT STEER lol

i locked my tyres to start with yes, then they stopped locking, and i would have made the corner, u can see by my angle. i use mouse so its easy to lock tyres as i downshift, just watch the rest of the lap.

i honestly cant see how u guys cant see my car change when he hits it, its so annoying.

EDIT, and shotglass, look from the same angle as you are using again, and u will see my car isnt always out of control, its just as he touches me. and after he touched me (and was still in contact) u can see my front tyres fully green (which means that i was trying to steer out of it as hard as i can)

the accident was only an accident, my overtake was fine, and he didnt see me on the inside. im just not happy at how my car takes a totally different angle after its hit and i got the blame without them seeing the replay.

Last edited by ayrton senna 87, Fri, 29 Jun 2007 16:06.

Quote from MrSkill :

well senna, the problem is, that you don't know what is going on around you.

if you compare the number of looking right/left from you and kraniwani for example the result is, that krani looks 20-30 times left/right too see how much room the other car has and you are exactly turning your head zero times.

learn from the comments or stick with your opinion, but it think then the next ban is only a matter of time.

i could see out of the side of my car because i use 130 FOV and forces view, so i dont need to turn my head. the kraniwani thing in the chicane was a bit naught from me and i admit that so we arent talking about that. a proper racer would have binned me into the tyres and i wouldnt have complained.

Quote from The Moose :

When 95% of people that looked at the incident think your in the wrong something must be up. We cant all be complete morons, surely?

no all of u arent morons, just 95%

how did i hit him? i8 wasnt way too fast for the corner, i would have made the corner, until he hit me and my car and it changed angle towards the outside of the corner... how can u all not see that???

it is fun, i just get frustrated when i get blamed for something that 1. wasnt my fault and 2. even if it WAS i didnt WANT or try to squeeze him out.

if it was my fault i would admit it, like i admit what i did to krawani on lap 1 was naughty, because i dont care about the respect of 99.5% of people here.